The Center > Chapter 479

Woofie

Jan 20 2010, 11:22 AM

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Seems like the idea that using Izanagi permanently blinds one eye was correct. The explanation of how the jutsu works seems a bit far-fetched for Naruto - making reality turn into an illusion? But I'm not necessarily opposed to it. It's sort of cool. Liking Danzou's summon too, even if the 'eating nightmares' part is a bit weird.

I hate to admit it, but I think this fight is actually turning out quite well... the best we've had since Itachi/Sasuke, anyway. The stuff towards the end of the chapter seems genuinely dramatic, which is rare these days.

Judging by the camera pics, the art seems to have taken a step up this week too.

Kireato

Jan 20 2010, 01:54 PM

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Liking Danzou's summon too

I'm not sure I voiced out my thoughts on Danzou being a vacuum cleaner of sorts. That summon does not help.

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I hate to admit it, but I think this fight is actually turning out quite well...

Did you miss the retarded remark Danzou made on Karin tricking him into confirming how his jutsu worked? It was so bad and wrong, even Karin went WTF!?.

A terrible joke. In the middle of a battle.

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Seems like the idea that using Izanagi permanently blinds one eye was correct.

Every powerful sharingan jutsu seems to blind permanently.
I wonder if that blindness prevents the sharingan user from using his doujutsu however.
I can't understand why Danzou was so eager to consume his eyes. You would think that sharingans are a precious resource and that there are better ways to protect yourself.

Woofie

Jan 20 2010, 02:12 PM

QUOTE(Kireato @ Jan 20 2010, 08:54 PM)

Did you miss the retarded remark Danzou made on Karin tricking him into confirming how his jutsu worked? It was so bad and wrong, even Karin went WTF!?.

A terrible joke. In the middle of a battle.

I didn't miss it, I just didn't think it was that important.

It does seem a bit out of place though, yeah. >_>

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I can't understand why Danzou was so eager to consume his eyes. You would think that sharingans are a precious resource and that there are better ways to protect yourself.

I agree there. I think the problem is that Danzou's general level of ability compared to Sasuke hasn't been made clear... it could be that he simply doesn't have any other way to survive, but he hasn't exactly seemed too concerned or desperate at any point, so we just don't know. Similarly, it hasn't been made that clear what Danzou is actually fighting for here - is he fighting for survival (and presumably doesn't think he's able to run away), or is he actually determined to kill Sasuke?

It does seem like he's using up the eyes unnecessarily, but with his personality and actions giving nothing away, it's difficult to tell how necessary it really is.

Woofie

Jan 20 2010, 03:02 PM

Scan's out at Mangastream.

Baka Onna

Jan 20 2010, 03:23 PM

HROOOOOOOOOOOO

*Sasuke's cruelty towards animals strikes again*

GRUUUUUUUUUUUU

Woofie

Jan 20 2010, 03:26 PM

QUOTE(Baka Onna @ Jan 20 2010, 10:23 PM)

HROOOOOOOOOOOO

*Sasuke's cruelty towards animals strikes again*

GRUUUUUUUUUUUU

lol.

This wasn't quite as mean as the others, though... the thing was attacking him.

Kiro-San

Jan 20 2010, 03:43 PM

Danzo's wind blade was pretty cool. Naruto needs to learn some damn wind jutsus. I like his summon too, nice to see Kishi hasn't completely lost his imagination. Still, seems he invented Izanagi purely to extend this fight. I'm not sure what Madara's motivation is in starting this fight. Unless he's just taking a chance that Sasuke can kill Danzo to try and remove him without having to fight him himself and that if it looks like Danzo is going to win Madara will just teleport Sasuke out. Still this fight has been REALLY costly for Danzo. He's lost a lot of his sharingan and shown his top summon, plus the fact he has Shodaime's cells implanted in him. He doesn't have a great deal left to show it seems.

Woofie

Jan 20 2010, 04:13 PM

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I'm not sure what Madara's motivation is in starting this fight.

I still can't shake the feeling that Madara wants Sasuke to take Itachi's eyes and get the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. So he keeps setting him up in near impossible situations (Killer Bee, Kage Summit) where either Sasuke's weakness will be highlighted or he'll be forced to overuse his Mangekyou, hence speeding up his loss of sight.

It is possible that Danzou is an obstacle for Madara too, but that's mostly for reasons that Madara wasn't even aware of before the fight - namely the numerous Sharingan and Shodai's chakra, and the fact that this should grant him good control of the bijuu.

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Still this fight has been REALLY costly for Danzo. He's lost a lot of his sharingan and shown his top summon, plus the fact he has Shodaime's cells implanted in him. He doesn't have a great deal left to show it seems.

True. If he does survive, he'll need to get some new trump card to show in a future fight. Maybe Kabuto could help him somehow...

Kiro-San

Jan 20 2010, 04:24 PM

Good points.

Sasuke is really pushing his Mangekyou hard, harder it seems than Itachi ever did. He's used Atamaratsu 2 or 3 times now and Susanoo extensively and that's all in a really short space of time. Haven't we already had a panel or two that showed his eye sight being a bit blurry?

Also Kabuto should be aware of almost everything Orochimaru did to Danzo and has shown he's an exceptionally gifted medical ninja. It was also be a perfect opportunity to re-introduce Kabuto into the story as that's one loose end that Kishi doesn't seem to have a way of tidying up.

Woofie

Jan 20 2010, 05:15 PM

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Haven't we already had a panel or two that showed his eye sight being a bit blurry?

Yep. I think it was after the Killer Bee fight (just before he killed/injured Jay), he dropped a glass of water because of it. And he'd hardly used the Mangekyou at that point... after the abuse it's got at the Kage summit and in the current fight, it must be getting bad. (Well, bad at points anyway - it might be something that just comes and goes until quite late on.)

Plus we've reached a point now where Sasuke has mastered the Mangekyou. We don't know if he can use Tsukuyomi, but he has Kagatsuchi instead, giving him complete control of Amaterasu, and now he has full Susanoo (the only way to improve it would be to have the legendary items, I guess). Where does he go from here? If his sight is getting worse, and Susanoo might start to take a permanent toll on his body, he's only going to get weaker as time goes on. I think he needs the Eternal Mangekyou to get another powerup before he clashes with Naruto, especially since Naruto is apparently going to have one more major training arc according to a recent panel with Kishi at Jump Festa.

Kireato

Jan 20 2010, 05:24 PM

This chapter contains too much sucking not done by hot babes.

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it could be that he simply doesn't have any other way to survive

For me, it is so. And that's the problem. What did he do when he didn't have any sharingans to waste?
(Though he pulled out a mythical chimera out of nowhere. Enough for Madara to be all 'lol it exists? where'd he get it...')

On the end of the chapter... I'm betting on Sasuke having used Tsukiyomi. So Danzou's getting out-genjutsu'd.

Unless Sasuke collapses before finishing the deed, or Madara decides to teleport him out of there before he ends it, Danzou's not going to live. However, I guess that Kabuto might be lurking and hope to frankenstein himself some more with the first's DNA and some sharingans.
But I'd rather Kabuto never appeared again. It'd be a whole lot better than something like Orochimaru's last moments. I mean really:
Oro: MFUFUFUFU IM BA-
Ita: No, ur ded

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I still can't shake the feeling that Madara wants Sasuke to take Itachi's eyes and get the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.

But that leads to an obvious and lame body stealing act.

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So he keeps setting him up in near impossible situations

I'm pretty sure he was hoping that Sasuke would bring back the eight tails. He wanted it.
For the Kage summit, we can suppose he didn't want his announcement to be interrupted like Zetsu's was. (Sure, he could avoid the attacks, but if Sasuke hadn't been messing everyone up, and Zetsu not done his leeching, I'm pretty sure it'd be less diplomatic in that room.)
Danzou was served on a platter. He even lost his arm in the operation. (Which saddens me as it puts so much weigh behind his claims that he's currently weak.)

So yeah, what I'm saying is:
Sasuke's the one who's acting like he's addicted to his mangekyou.
(Though Madara might be fully aware that when you have that kind of power, it's hard to do without.)

(Oh, and I'm annoyed by Karin's helper act. Sasuke should have figured it out himself.)

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Naruto is apparently going to have one more major training arc according to a recent panel with Kishi at Jump Festa

D:

Woofie

Jan 20 2010, 05:45 PM

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But that leads to an obvious and lame body stealing act.

Yeah, but what we want and what we should expect aren't always the same thing. Aren't often the same thing, even, these days.

Why else would he have an interest in Sasuke, anyway?

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I'm pretty sure he was hoping that Sasuke would bring back the eight tails. He wanted it.

I think it was a win/win situation for him.

Killer Bee's strength and ability with his bijuu seem fairly well known - other Kages mentioned it at the summit. I don't see how Madara could've genuinely believed Sasuke had the strength to kill or capture Bee when he sent him there (bear in mind that he didn't have Amaterasu at that point), especially knowing that Bee could fully transform.

Why send Sasuke anyway? Pain could've done it before going after Naruto, or he could've just sent Kisame to start with.

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For the Kage summit, we can suppose he didn't want his announcement to be interrupted like Zetsu's was. (Sure, he could avoid the attacks, but if Sasuke hadn't been messing everyone up, and Zetsu not done his leeching, I'm pretty sure it'd be less diplomatic in that room.)

Sasuke only really messed up the Raikage, and even then he seemed ok apart from his arm, so I'm not sure what difference it made.

Again, I don't believe for a second that Madara thought Sasuke could actually take on the five Kages and win. It was only really through luck (the situation with Danzou) that he ended up in a 1-on-1 fight with the Raikage, otherwise he could've been in serious trouble.

Naruto

Jan 20 2010, 10:49 PM

given:
madara is blind in one eye,
sasuke will get EM,
Danzou will get destroyed,
Madara will steal one of Sasuke's EMS eyes,
Madara will take out Killerbee and get the 8-tails
Naruto will end of pairing up with Sasuke for a Naruto+Sasuke VS Madara showdown
Kakashi will give Sasuke his MS eye (making it EMS+ in Sasuke's socket)
Naruto and Sasuke will kill Madara, but only when Naruto dies saving Sasuke and then everyone will cry and a huge flashback edition will come out,
Then all the highest Kages will use the bijuu's powers to give him life again, and all the bijuus will be stored in him...
Naruto will then declare peace throughout the world and put all enemies of peace on notice

I'm almost positive

Koden Hitotsu

Jan 20 2010, 11:28 PM

I'm positive Naruto and Sasuke will not team up; Naruto will most likely kill Sasuke and out of his sorrow declare peace.

Would be completely pointless now to have Sasuke turn against Madara and align with Naruto. Half of this manga would have been pointless and many readers would be irritated beyond hell.

Naruto

Jan 21 2010, 01:14 AM

I'm glad you see why I can be almost positive in making my "given" statements.

Woofie

Jan 21 2010, 01:53 AM

QUOTE(Koden Hitotsu @ Jan 21 2010, 06:28 AM)

I'm positive Naruto and Sasuke will not team up; Naruto will most likely kill Sasuke and out of his sorrow declare peace.

Because there's so much precedent for that, what with how many kids and main characters die in this series. And how Naruto kills so many people (479 chapters and the only people he's actually 'killed' are ones that were already dead?).

The series will have a happy ending. That means Sasuke will live and will be good by the end. The most important character who has any realistic chance of dying is Kakashi, and in the extremely unlikely scenario of Sasuke dying, it absolutely won't be because Naruto kills him... I don't even know how you could think it was a possibility. It'd be through self-sacrifice to help Naruto.

Koden Hitotsu

Jan 21 2010, 10:08 AM

I think it would dumb to just be like "dood sersly....cum on" and just like that Sasuke helps Naruto. Naruto has/is reaching the conclusion he has to fight sasuke and there won't be a happy conclusion. They're gonna do all this build up and then just flip a 180?

I think it's about time people actually died in this story, more people die in DBZ ffs.

Woofie

Jan 21 2010, 03:41 PM

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I think it would dumb to just be like "dood sersly....cum on" and just like that Sasuke helps Naruto. Naruto has/is reaching the conclusion he has to fight sasuke and there won't be a happy conclusion. They're gonna do all this build up and then just flip a 180?

So you think it would be better if Naruto spent 400 chapters trying desperately to save Sasuke and then, in the end, fail? How is that preferable to, well, anything?

The build up is to Naruto fighting Sasuke and, in doing so, saving him. You know, like he's already done to Gaara, Neji, Nagato. Sasuke will be his toughest challenge, both in terms of strength and in terms of changing his mentality (which doesn't make much sense - Gaara and Nagato both seemed far more beyond help than Sasuke really - but I guess Sasuke is pretty unaffected by everything other than Itachi), but he'll succeed, because he's the hero of a shounen manga.

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I think it's about time people actually died in this story, more people die in DBZ ffs.

Like I've already said in the topic once, what we want and what we should expect aren't the same thing. Just because you want people to die, that doesn't mean they will, does it?

None of the Konoha kids have died. No main character has died. Naruto has never killed anyone. Now you expect Naruto to kill one of the main characters, one of the kids, and hence fail in what's been his primary goal for almost the entire series? If that's what you want, fine, to each their own; but it isn't what's actually going to happen.

Koden Hitotsu

Jan 22 2010, 05:22 AM

You don't consider Jiraiya nor Itachi main or major characters? I do considering they've impacted the story quite a bit and without them none of what has/is going on would have happened. That's how I see it anyway.

All this struggle and hardship seems pointless to me to just culminate in a happy ending without an ounce of sorrow.

I keep wanting to break out of that zone of being aimed at 15 year olds and actually get serious. Maybe I've set myself up for disappointment expecting that from Shounen.

Naruto

Jan 22 2010, 02:10 PM

I forgot to mention that when Naruto has the power of all the Bijuu, he will use that power to bring EVERY dead character, good and bad, back to life, and everyone good will be happy again, and everyone bad will be converted to Narutoism....

Woofie

Jan 22 2010, 05:06 PM

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You don't consider Jiraiya nor Itachi main or major characters? I do considering they've impacted the story quite a bit and without them none of what has/is going on would have happened. That's how I see it anyway.

No, they aren't main characters. The main characters are Naruto and Sasuke really, and I guess Sakura's the token female lead. Kakashi could probably count, although I think his role in part 2 has been too small personally. Itachi and Jiraiya were important for the story, but they mostly served as benchmarks, motivations and such like for the actual main characters. I think there's a clear enough difference.

Itachi's death was inevitable from the start anyway, and Jiraiya's was fairly predictable - all old people die in this series. Tsunade will be lucky to survive 'til the end too.

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I forgot to mention that when Naruto has the power of all the Bijuu, he will use that power to bring EVERY dead character, good and bad, back to life, and everyone good will be happy again, and everyone bad will be converted to Narutoism....

It's kind of funny imagining Orochimaru being converted to Narutoism.

ZsychPrime

Jan 27 2010, 11:37 AM

Well the spoilers for the new chapter are out.

Speaking generally - Narutoverse ninjas are really reckless. Betting their lives on fights that mean little and casually using up powers that they can't easily recover.

My whole annoyance in this fight has been... 'Why is Danzou seriously fighting Sasuke?' - unless he has no means of escape admittedly(which most ninjas tend to have)
He should consider it undignified to deal with some missing-nin ant

Woofie

Jan 27 2010, 11:56 AM

QUOTE(ZsychPrime @ Jan 27 2010, 06:37 PM)

My whole annoyance in this fight has been... 'Why is Danzou seriously fighting Sasuke?' - unless he has no means of escape admittedly(which most ninjas tend to have)
He should consider it undignified to deal with some missing-nin ant

I'm not sure if the guy who hid underground while Konoha was being destroyed, and who tried to trick all the other Kages at the summit, really has much dignity or moral high-ground...

ZsychPrime

Jan 27 2010, 01:26 PM

True. Still... I mean seriously, risking so much fighting Sasuke of all people.