Woofie
Mar 31 2009, 10:27 AM
Should be the true one. Translated by Nightjumper:
SPOILER (Click to show and click again to hide)
SJ cover is of Naruto( and Sakura and Kakashi)
Spine is of Asuma
There's a pullout: "10th Chronicle Book"[or something like that]
(You'll know the history of 10 years of Naruto if you look at it)
Two-page colored cover: Left half has young Konan, Orochimaru(Nagato) and Yahiko. Below that, is how they are of the current day. Right half is exactly the same, only with Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura instead.
Now, details of the color pages:
Everyone is standing around Sakura & Hinata. Sakura is healing Hinata. (Huge emphasis on Hinata's breasts. [Their size:] three cupfuls of rice.[or something like that])
Sakura is talking about how/why it came to be like this. Seems like she's thinking along the lines of "This is for Naruto's sake..."[OR "This is because Naruto...", I'm not sure.]
Gai: Let's go and back Naruto up!!
[Something about Katsuya telling Gai that'll they'll get in the way, and that Naruto left the village in their care, or something like that. Not sure]
[Long story, short, of Naruto VS Pain:]
Naruto does an attack with KB and Rasengan. Pain evades the attack. Naruto does decides to do a Tajuu KB, and have all of them throw debris at Pain, or something. Pain deflects them all, and kills every one of them except two. Pain tells Naruto to give up. Naruto fires up another FRS. Pain thinks he's safe at his range. Naruto tells Pain that he's given up... on giving up. And then some shit about a successful attack with KB and Rasengan.
The end.
Kinda hard to make sense out of the Naruto VS Pain stuff for me, but you get the gist of it.
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Additional notes
避けられた風遁螺旋手裏剣で砕かれた石などにへんげしてた
影分身が一斉に姿を戻して天道にむかって神風特攻ですね
Not 100% sure but:
When Deva evades the FRS, all the stones(debris) around him turn back into KBs, and then Deva is met by a kamikaze squad[of KBs]
>>37
白装束みたいなの脱がされて鎖帷子みたいな服装になってたよ
I think he's saying that Hinata is wearing some chainmail-like clothing under her jacket, or something.
谷間は見えないが大きな山2つ強調されてたw
んじゃまたの~!
Well, you can't see the cleavage, but they're huge, like two mountains. It's so emphasized lol
Well, until next time~!
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Info about the movie, huh? Well, I didn't watch much of it, but...
Something about other countries bloodline limits being abducted one by one, and it's close to outbreak of a Great Ninja War as nobody wants to claim responsibilty for it. Kakashi becomes a nukenin, or something...(I don't remember all of it)
Sounds like an entire chapter of pointless filler.
Why any of it?
Keres
Mar 31 2009, 11:15 AM
BOOBIES
ZsychPrime
Mar 31 2009, 11:17 AM
I've always wanted the KB turned into inanimate objects that the opponent ignores, for a surprise attack, tactic to be implemented. This chapter gets a thumbs up for me, just for that.
Woofie
Mar 31 2009, 11:32 AM
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BOOBIES
OK, yeah.
I'd rather see them on someone who wasn't unconscious though.
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I've always wanted the KB turned into inanimate objects that the opponent ignores, for a surprise attack, tactic to be implemented. This chapter gets a thumbs up for me, just for that.
I don't think it matters how it's used, Kage Bunshin stopped being interesting about 400 chapters ago. And this kind of thing always raises the question: if it can be done, why the hell has it never been done before?
ZsychPrime
Mar 31 2009, 12:09 PM
Due to Kishimoto's extreme lack of tactical sense? Or rather, his stubborn desire to make Naruto stay dumb and in the underdog position for most of the series?
I'd always thought that this was the most obvious way for Naruto to match the 4th's teleportation jutsu. And really, intelligent acts are always to be appreciated. It makes no difference to me that this is an application of the KB. That's exactly what ninja should be doing - better utilizing their skills to make their fights more complex, and thus entertaining, as opposed to using brute force. What's annoying is exactly the fact that this hasn't been done before. We knew it was possible from the time Naruto turned into a shuriken in the Zabuza fight.
Woofie
Mar 31 2009, 12:15 PM
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Due to Kishimoto's extreme lack of tactical sense? Or rather, his stubborn desire to make Naruto stay dumb and in the underdog position for most of the series?
It's not like Naruto is the only one who can use Kage Bunshin (or any of the advanced Bunshin should work the same). So that isn't a reason.
Of course it's Kishimoto's fault, but sometimes I'd rather things not be done at all rather than done too late.
Kireato
Mar 31 2009, 05:04 PM
Oh hey, it's nice to see Pain fight back, but it's a bit worrying.
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to match the 4th's teleportation jutsu
Use the earth or heaven scrolls that even Iruka could summon himself with from the chuunin exam?
ZsychPrime
Mar 31 2009, 05:15 PM
To be able to suddenly appear behind enemy lines for an unexpected and lethal attack. The 4th could quickly appear, kill, and move elsewhere - but with his primary body. Naruto could have sudden simultaneous attacks - as long as his KB aren't stupid enough to get dispelled. Typically, a knife to the throat should work well enough against most ninja.
As for using this tactic with bunshin in general. I suppose that would depend on how much chakra they have. KB does split chakra making the individual clones less able to use jutsu. It wouldn't mesh well with a jutsu heavy fighting style at least. For Naruto, I'd have used this almost from the beginning - making him more dangerous, and forcing his opponents to try harder. Seems that the sage training has been coupled with a removal of much of the stupidity Naruto has suffered from since the chuunin exams.
On another note, I dislike the idiotic implication that ninjas like Gai can't help Naruto out at all.
Woofie
Apr 2 2009, 11:36 AM
What the hell's with Nagato's hair colour?
Kireato
Apr 2 2009, 12:13 PM
Drawng similarities with Naruto's team. Except pink is not manly enough.
Woofie
Apr 2 2009, 12:26 PM
It looks like Kishi put no effort at all into either Nagato picture compared to the others.
Then again, the present day Naruto and Sasuke pics look pretty half-hearted as well.
Chibi Konan is sweet though.
Keres
Apr 2 2009, 09:52 PM
its up on onemanga
not sure exactly what happened...apparently naruto's clones can withstand the gravity push. Lame. I would have rather had his clones holding him down work. Now its just "omg jiraiya taught him to win".
also, does pain have the ability to shoot the black rods out at any time? because he used it against the clones, but not against the real naruto. this fight sucked, imo. Also, pain is totally not dead/defeated.
Koden Hitotsu
Apr 2 2009, 11:25 PM
The clones braced Naruto so he wouldn't be repelled. There were enough that all of them bracing him withstood the push.
The fight is centered around the fact Pain kill Jiraiya, so of course they will make a connection to him with his defeat.
Kireato
Apr 3 2009, 01:56 AM
I still don't know how 5 seconds went by when Kakashi failed to raikiri God pain.
I have no idea how the shadow fuuton rasengan didn't get blasted as well considering how he blasts the horde of clones.
Now that I think about it, aren't all those disguising jutsus genjutsus? How come Naruto can do them? He's certified incapable of them? (Then again, it seemed like those disguising jutsus do in fact grant the properties of the object you're disguising in, so it's actually shapeshifting and not illusion?)
When exactly did he find the time to place those fake rocks and how did Pain fail to notice it?
Why did Pain give up? He was facing a fuuton rasengan and he dodged it normally, why didn't he try to dodge the rasengan? How hard exactly is it to dodge some guy being thrown at you? He can't change directions in mid air. And Pain has got his extending black rods to pin him down from a little distance. Why?
Outside of all that, the action looked cool. And hopefully next week we'll get something more interesting.
Koden Hitotsu
Apr 3 2009, 02:01 AM
He transforms, via henge which I guess is technically not considered genjutsu as all genin must perform it to graduate the academy. Granted there are exceptions, like Lee, but I don't believe it is considered genjutsu, more of a stealth ability.
Kireato
Apr 3 2009, 07:23 AM
No, it is considered to be genjutsu. But I just remembered that even if Naruto fails at even basic genjutsu such as bunshin, he performs, uh, with varied results henge no jutsu. Put simply he was only successful at transformations with sexy no jutsu.
We never saw him train to extend his transformation skill to any random object, but he became capable of it early on in the series. See shadow shuriken technique when he henge'd into a shuriken, and the time he got boss frog and himself to look like a giant fox. (Except that didn't even seem like it was only an illusion.)
So yeah, let's just go with basic skills he mysteriously obtained even though he started without.
ZsychPrime
Apr 3 2009, 07:33 AM
The problem early on may just have been his pathetic chakra control. As for henge. That has never been just genjutsu. It was always a transformation - you couldn't throw a dude just visually made to look like a shuriken like he was actually a shuriken. An illusionary fox's teeth wouldn't have any meaning. At most you could say that it is a transformation technique but one that is based in the intent to deceive, and thus in a sense, an illusion.
Woofie
Apr 3 2009, 10:27 AM
The action was quite well done in this chapter, it's just a shame it was all pointless. I guess if the fight hadn't been dragged out so much beforehand, it would've been ok.
It was quite strange to see Pain getting so visibly angry.
I don't really get why Pain was unable to avoid Naruto's attack at the end either. It reminded me of when Naruto first landed the complete Rasengan on Kabuto; Naruto grabbed Kabuto's hand, and somehow that rendered him completely immobile. Here, Naruto gets thrown, and Pain is immobilised too. Maybe it's just something about Rasengan, seeing it makes people forget they have legs.
The Dark Messenger
Apr 4 2009, 08:24 AM
QUOTE(Woofie @ Apr 3 2009, 06:27 PM)
I don't really get why Pain was unable to avoid Naruto's attack at the end either.
Because shonen manga never changes.
I wouldn't have agreed that the first colour page was the best either, something more related to the fight could have gone there though I did like the second page with all the young versions and current...even though saskue has no plot in this fight at all.
Shade
Apr 5 2009, 07:18 AM
QUOTE(Woofie @ Apr 1 2009, 04:32 AM)
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BOOBIES
OK, yeah.
I'd rather see them on someone who wasn't unconscious though.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Good call.
Wow, I really can't wait for the next chapter. Everything I assumed has come true as of yet.
I cannot imagine what the fight with Mandara will be like.. My god
Revolver Rossalot
Apr 5 2009, 08:46 PM
Henge has always been a ninjutsu
All these chapters just seem pointless. Why is this fight being dragged out for so long. Kishi wants us to think its amazing and epic when it just isnt. At this point I'm really wondering why the editors at JUMP keep letting him produce such low quality material. He's still making them money so they cant cut the series but at least light a fire under his ass, this is some really uninspired stuff he's been putting out.
ZsychPrime
Apr 6 2009, 12:17 AM
Personally, I'd just fire him and let someone with a brain continue the series
This is a lot like Lucas making the prequels.
Kireato
Apr 6 2009, 06:13 AM
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Henge has always been a ninjutsu
I didn't know. Narutochuunin lists it as a genjutsu. I figured they had gotten it from the databooks or something.
So I guess that means we can go back to saying that Naruto can't even do basic genjutsu. That's a relief. ^_^
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This is a lot like Lucas making the prequels.
It is.
And hilariously, just as in Naruto I fail to see critical differences between part 1 and 2, I honestly can't understand why people were surprised by the disappointments that the Star Wars prequels were. People are blind to the change in their expectations.
ZsychPrime
Apr 6 2009, 11:16 AM
Both Naruto and SW, implied the potential of greater coolness than what was given to them on elaboration.
TrueProphecy22
Apr 7 2009, 09:03 AM
QUOTE(ZsychPrime @ Mar 31 2009, 07:15 PM)
On another note, I dislike the idiotic implication that ninjas like Gai can't help Naruto out at all.
Well~ remember that Pain slew Kakashi in no time at all, and Naruto has stood against him toe to toe for a much longer time. They've got a basis to say help might not help Naruto here.
I despise chapters that claim in the title the fight is going to end... because the fight never ends. The fight could go on for again as many chapters.
As to when he hid those clones, I would guess he hid them when the giant rock ball in the sky collapsed on top of him... and then he directed Pain to the spot above his clones using his two last shurikens. As to why Pain didn't dodge Naruto's Rasengan.. I have no idea...
By the way, I've been reading Sleepy Fans translation.. and the last few chapters have been rather awkward. The text just doesn't flow well. I don't know if that's the author and faithful translation or... whatever.
Woofie
Apr 7 2009, 09:17 AM
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Well~ remember that Pain slew Kakashi in no time at all, and Naruto has stood against him toe to toe for a much longer time. They've got a basis to say help might not help Naruto here.
Well, Pain did use two bodies. Kakashi and Deva hardly fought at all, he called in a second one pretty quickly. And with the help of Chouji and Chouza, he did come pretty damn close to killing Deva.
Gai might be more of a problem though, since he's less likely to think ahead... so he's more likely to get caught out and make Naruto save him.
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By the way, I've been reading Sleepy Fans translation.. and the last few chapters have been rather awkward. The text just doesn't flow well. I don't know if that's the author and faithful translation or... whatever.
Sleepyfans is usually fairly bad, but apparently this week's was worse than normal. I didn't even download it, I went with an alternative.
TrueProphecy22
Apr 7 2009, 09:35 AM
QUOTE(Kireato @ Apr 3 2009, 03:56 AM)
Why did Pain give up? He was facing a fuuton rasengan and he dodged it normally, why didn't he try to dodge the rasengan? How hard exactly is it to dodge some guy being thrown at you? He can't change directions in mid air. And Pain has got his extending black rods to pin him down from a little distance. Why?
I'm going to assume that Pain is spent, simply too exhausted to move physically. He's putting every ounce of himself, giving his very life, to repel Naruto... and he just doesn't have enough to doge anymore.
Kireato
Apr 7 2009, 11:23 AM
QUOTE(ZsychPrime @ Apr 6 2009, 08:16 PM)
Both Naruto and SW, implied the potential of greater coolness than what was given to them on elaboration.
You're gullible and delusional.
Koden Hitotsu
Apr 7 2009, 01:50 PM
There actually is a level of truth to what he says.
Upon arriving in Konoha, Naruto in Senin mode gave us the impression we would witness a whole new Naruto...but as it has turned out he is only physically stronger/faster, but as far as moves go he really has the same list of skills, just maybe different ways to use them. Not much has changed.
The Dark Messenger
Apr 7 2009, 04:39 PM
QUOTE(Koden Hitotsu @ Apr 7 2009, 09:50 PM)
Upon arriving in Konoha, Naruto in Senin mode gave us the impression we would witness a whole new Naruto...but as it has turned out he is only physically stronger/faster, but as far as moves go he really has the same list of skills, just maybe different ways to use them. Not much has changed.
Yeah I was rather expecting more and rather disapointed with the lack of new moves considering all the training he does. Though for a Genin he does well lets be honest.
Koden Hitotsu
Apr 7 2009, 04:52 PM
He does, and as soon as this arc is over...they need to develop him into at least a Chuunin...the whole "you're the only Genin left, etc" is REALLY dumb, on the one hand because he was gone for 2 1/2 years and is harassed about it, and on the other hand there hasn't been an exam since he came back. I'm sure he could make Jounin if it opportunity arose.
Revolver Rossalot
Apr 7 2009, 09:06 PM
How could you possibly think that after all of this Naruto undergoing a chuunin exam would be a good idea? The village exploded, where would they hold it
and I dont really see how anyone thought Naruto would have new moves (besides Sennin mode and Rasen Shurikin) after his training at the frog mountain. This wasnt implied at all, and its not really startling. Kishi has turned all of his characters into one trick ponies. Itachi with genjutsu, Sasuke with lightning, Oro with snakes, Naruto with KB, Kakashi with Chidori, and the list goes on.
I think he's given up on creating new and interesting moves. I mean he obviously isnt putting the effort into writing a coherent and entertaining plot so I dont see why he would put in the effort to create a bunch of new jutsu.
Koden Hitotsu
Apr 7 2009, 09:41 PM
All I was merely suggesting was to give Naruto some fucking development. Yes, we have the whole Kyuubi part, but it seems he does nothing but go in circles when it comes to training, etc.
1. Find a situation he cannot regularly over-come
2. Learn some new technique and proceed to use it over and over or in some "unforeseen way"
3. Repeat #1 and immediately #2 only with the same attack
That all is a given at this point...
Yes, these characters are 'one trick ponies', and there might be some hope in breaking that if you hold another exam where they are placed in unique situations where it is possible the same shit over and over will not work...something might actually need to be developed for the given situation. Did I mean an exam should be held right fucking now? No. I merely stated that having one might repair some of this image given to Naruto and lend some variety to at least 1 character.
Neji from what I've seen appears to be the character with the most variety, after Sasuke but that is only because we haven't seen shit from him until he started hunting down Itachi. There was a big gap between that.
Woofie
Apr 7 2009, 11:06 PM
He only had a week. Mastering Sennin Mode at all in that time is probably a pretty good achievement.
Koden Hitotsu
Apr 8 2009, 12:50 AM
I agree with that but he doesn't DO anything with it...
I find it SO irritating that all these supporting characters are the ones with the amazing moves, like Jiraiya. His jutsu using his hair is actually pretty cool. I want to see that level of shit from him. That might be too much to ask at this point in the story, but I feel we have been deserving of that caliber of skill from these characters for a long time. I just feel that with this Senin mode etc, that it's about time we start seeing it. Not only getting to have it with Sasuke.
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