PS3 Price drop., Now $100 cheaper! Options

[Chaoxytal]

This is what 360 games are going to look like in a few years, provided they don't utilize the HD-DVD drive as Ulysses said.

http://www.mgs4-360.ytmnd.com

[El Kun]

Like I said. He's just copying his hero... ¬¬

They just won't put them out and the PS3 will win, like I said. If you get GTA4 on PS3 with a full disc and one on the 360... DLC is totally impractiable... unless they put out a... 500gb HD, even then who wants to d/l 20-40gb of stuff for every new game?

It just... nah. Wii can get away with it because it's not about graphics.

Although having to pay for a HD-DVD drive seperate does have it's benefits as it allows the spreading of payments. I mean if I could get a PS3 via 4 £100 payments over 2 years I'd be in the shops tomorrow but I can't (no credit card/loan etc talk plz).

Buying the two bits seperate means you can pay in two bits only getting the HD-DVD when the game you need it for is out. There's no way that PS3 R6: Vegas is using all the space on it's disc, not even close, so right now the Bluray is bein wasted.

[Crono454]

Pfft, splitscreen is sooooo 1990s.

Sorry splitscreen boys, I'm going to have to go with El Kun here. Splitscreen is so 1990's. It's very Super Mario Kart.

As someone who's played online games since Quake, there's really no compelling reason to play in the same room. If a game is more fun in the same room with other people(CoD2) that's because that game is crappy.

And in the case of CoD2, I do think the game is crappy. Even in the same room I'll bitch about its craptacularness.

As far as the PS3 and exclusives I made a short list of games I kept an eye on at E3 and posted it on the forum I normally post in, but I can repost it here:
E3 Topic List

Basically the argument that the PS3 has no exclusives is short sighted and XBOT fanboy oriented to me.

Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, MGS4, Killzone 2, Warhawk, Gran Turismo 5, Heavenly Sword, Final Fantasy. And that's all just in the short term. Who knows what's unannounced.

I really don't think either console has an issue with a list of potentially great exclusives, it's all about the ability to deliver on the part of the developers.

None of that should make anyone angry either, more competition means better games for everyone.

[Mera'din]

I can't help but wonder: Would USB even be capable of transferring all the necessary information as quickly as needed for an actual game? Unless, of course, they have plans for the XBox 360 Super OMG 1337 sometime next year with built in HD-DVD.

That, and I think their biggest problem to worry about right now is their failure rate. They've already taken over a $1 Billion hit from the extension of their warranty & reimbursement of previous charges that are now covered under said warranty.

[webhead]

Yeah, as we look at this it is seeming more and more like the 360 is going to be kind of fucked soon because the discs won't have enough space for the games. It was a bit short sighted on their part and in retrospect I kind of wonder why they did not just go with HD-DVD at first or something. We're not even talking like maybe 2 DVDs...we have PS3 games FILLING Blu-ray discs...that is going to be a fuckton of DVDs.

I never thought Microsoft was going to win this generation, even when I completely hated Sony. If you think Sony is going to do that badly, you're probably an XBOX fanboy.

[ampguru]

I'm really not sure how you think this. The X-Box's main problem is that its always had problems creating x-box only franchises...I mean even their biggest selling points like Halo, Gears of War, etc. go over to PC eventually. What good series do they have that are made soley for the X-Box? Probably not many. One of their biggest selling points for the X-Box is that it was the most powerful, which isnt true anymore so I think a lot of the gaming market they appealed to before wont be there this time around.

The PS3 has lost a few exclusives, the most important being GTA but once the PS3 catches on it might be soley for Sony again.

Well, I was kind of jumping the gun with my previous opinion. But given that the ps3 has 3.5 million copies sold worldwide, and the 360 has 11.5 million copies sold worldwide, that's a big gap in the consumer market availability for game developers. It's kind of hard/impossible to sell 5 million plus units of any certain game, when you're ps3 exclusive. Game developers would lose any potential profit they could earn if they don't mix up their platform availability.

I'm also just assuming, but it must cost a shit load of money to develop high quality games. It might be hard for developers to truely utilize the ps3's capabilities, given the limited market to sell their games, inadvertantly causing the games to be on a similar level as the 360's. Which is only a viscious cycle where the 360 has, once again, a benefit over the ps3. Throw in the Wii which appeals to the casual consumer given their price tag and innovativeness, and it appears sony has a big problem.

Now, you can also look at it as sony's making a bigger profit in the long run based on their low console sales but with high pricing, but with low console sales comes low market availability for game developers. They inevitably produce the most profit in the industry, and I just think more and more will jump ship and become available for the 360 as well.

Plus, I just don't see people dishing out cash for a 360 AND a ps3, unless they're uber rich. As of now, the 360 is definitely dominating the market. Don't get me wrong though, I'm no market expert. I'm just generalizing my opinion based off of what is happening as of now, in the now-gen console wars. I still think that in like 2 years ps3 is going to be dominating because of the technology it contains, and hopefully lowered pricing.

[Chaoxytal]

Comparing PS3 sales to 360 sales is a little biased, considering the 360 has been out since November of 05, whereas the PS3 has only been out since November of 06.

Microsoft quite literally has an entire YEAR on Sony, although I do agree with you as far as 360 jumping the gun. Many parents aren't going to purchase two super expensive consoles for their kids, I know mine wouldn't have.

[MT]

I'm also just assuming, but it must cost a shit load of money to develop high quality games. It might be hard for developers to truely utilize the ps3's capabilities, given the limited market to sell their games, inadvertantly causing the games to be on a similar level as the 360's. Which is only a viscious cycle where the 360 has, once again, a benefit over the ps3. Throw in the Wii which appeals to the casual consumer given their price tag and innovativeness, and it appears sony has a big problem.

I'm not sure if this equates to it being hard to develop for exactly, but i've heard both Spider-Man 3 and The Darkness run smoother on the 360, which is obviously because companies have had a years head start (like Chax said) on how to fully utilize the 360.

And hey, i'm not uber rich but I own all 3 next-gen systems....i'm just wasteful with my money, so

[Revolver Rossalo...]

@ampguru: Basically what Chax said...trying to compare PS3 sales to 360 sales is quite bias...for one they are different products, with different components to them, its safe to say there are other incentives to buy the systems now then just game playing, they are also priced differently, and also the biggest difference he mentioned was that the 360 has been out for a whole entire year longer then the PS3. For a gaming console the sales will rise as it ages, when more games come out for it, prices drop, word of mouth spreads, etc. I doubt Microsoft sold that many systems before Gears of War came out, which demonstrates my point.

[ampguru]

Yeah, I completely agree with that. But I think the fact that microsoft released 360 so early, and the fact the ps3 is so damn expensive, will only cause a lot of potential buyers to not buy the ps3...at least until the price isn't so deadly.

I fully support ps3 and want it to do really well, which undoubtedly it will, but the 360 is being more of a pain to the ps3 then they probably assumed it would be...

[Revolver Rossalo...]

Yeah, I completely agree with that. But I think the fact that microsoft released 360 so early, and the fact the ps3 is so damn expensive, will only cause a lot of potential buyers to not buy the ps3...at least until the price isn't so deadly.

I fully support ps3 and want it to do really well, which undoubtedly it will, but the 360 is being more of a pain to the ps3 then they probably assumed it would be...

Hhmmm, I'd say the X-Box was more of a pain to the PS2 then they thought it would be, in this case they knew the competition and I think they have them beat in a lot of areas. Obviously putting down 500 or 600 dollars on a PS3 is quite a bit, but thats only 100 more then you'd be paying for an X-Box 360, at that point its really about quality, about what you want more. If people are thinking they are getting a much better product from a PS3 at that point you might as well throw down the extra money. If price was the only factor then the Cube would have killed the last generation, which it obviously didnt

[MT]

[Mera'din]

The price difference is almost negligible now that the Elite is out too. Don't forget that. Anybody who held out looks for the Elite now, and the Premium's just sit around. I've had a decent amount of people come in looking for the Elite, and leaving with a PS3 recently (since the Elite's are more scarce than the Wii's at this point).

Also, this price drop fiasco is working. Our PS3 sales at Fry's has about tripled the past couple days.

[Chaoxytal]

[Revolver Rossalo...]

The price difference is almost negligible now that the Elite is out too. Don't forget that. Anybody who held out looks for the Elite now, and the Premium's just sit around. I've had a decent amount of people come in looking for the Elite, and leaving with a PS3 recently (since the Elite's are more scarce than the Wii's at this point).

Also, this price drop fiasco is working. Our PS3 sales at Fry's has about tripled the past couple days.

I hear they are only making a very small amount of the elite systems so that it will literaly a thing that only the "elite" players will have. I thought that was pretty stupid

[Crono454]

The price difference is almost negligible now that the Elite is out too. Don't forget that. Anybody who held out looks for the Elite now, and the Premium's just sit around. I've had a decent amount of people come in looking for the Elite, and leaving with a PS3 recently (since the Elite's are more scarce than the Wii's at this point).

Also, this price drop fiasco is working. Our PS3 sales at Fry's has about tripled the past couple days.

I hear they are only making a very small amount of the elite systems so that it will literaly a thing that only the "elite" players will have. I thought that was pretty stupid

I disagree that sales aren't comparable.

The sales for PS3 year 1 and 360 year 1 plot them with launches aligned on a place like VGchartz, and you'll see it's near identical. And as far as the product being offered, Sony's is more functioned and robust, but it's obvious they're vying for approximately the same market.

Microsoft basically shipped far too many units to retailers so they could pack stores, but they don't have that huge of a lead. Sony is just selling uncharacteristically low volumes, and if that picks up that's it. The PS3 is selling near on par with how the 360 did, despite actually having competition, and has done so with very little software worth speaking of, in the face of a year mature 360 library.

Now that Sony is on the cusp of releasing so many exclusive high profile titles, I think that it's only a matter of time before the PS3 catches the 360 on the global scale.

I do however question if the PS3 can catch the 360 in the USA.

I would also like to point out that in terms of finances, the XBOX brand has been nothing but an utter disaster. I'm not sure what Microsoft plans on doing, they've NEVER made money on the XBOX brand, and they just announced the costs of this warranty and exchange process and it pretty much kills any chance of them turning a profit this year, despite their highest of high profile titles releasing.

Does Microsoft just plan to throw money and money and money and money at it, not making anything until Sony is out of the gaming market and our only choice is Microsoft on the console market? If that's the plan, color me afraid. It seems like the only direction they can be taking this, and given Microsoft's track record of out financing an opponent until opponent dies, then offering lack luster product, I'm almost sure this is the strategy.

This post has been edited by Crono454: Jul 16 2007, 03:29 PM

[Kiro-San]

Well the Elite has just appeared on Gameplay and it's priced at £329.99 ($677) with a free face plate, woo! The PS3 is £424.99 ($871.95) with two games but out the 6 titles in the bundle I only would be bothered about Motorstorm, don't care about the other 5. So at the moment the Elite is a far more attractive proposition. With a £95 ($195) price difference I could buy two or three games that I actually want and an Elite for the same price as the PS3 bundle.

[webhead]

Then...don't get the bundle?

[Kiro-San]

Then...don't get the bundle?

You don't understand. That's as cheap as it gets. We don't get a price cut in the UK, we get a bundle deal.

[webhead]

Oh...right. That's really gay.